AISNSW Creating Cohesive Communities Podcast

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We want to hear kids voices. We want to hear what they have to say, especially when they're right there in front of you and you know the topic involves them directly. And so that's a really important reason why BTN needs to exist is to give young people a voice.

JULIA:

Welcome to the AISNSW Creating Cohesive Communities Podcast series, developed by the Association of Independent Schools NSW.

My name is Julia Gyomber.

KATE:

And my name is Kate Xavier.

JULIA:

Today we're joined by the amazing Amelia Mosley from BTN.

Amelia Mosley is an experienced journalist and presenter who is best known in schools and homes across Australia as the host of National ABC Children's News program behind the news or BT. Amelia grew up in Adelaide and studied journalism at the University of South Australia. She worked in various roles in the media industry before becoming a BTN reporter and later the face of the flagship show, which is produced in Adelaide. She is passionate about being a diverse role model. On Australian screens and works hard to educate and inspire millions of children every week, join us as we focus on Community cohesion, supporting student voice in fostering media literacy and critical thinking with Behind the News.

Before we begin, we would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the lands and airways in which we are meeting and broadcasting today as we share our learning, we also pay respect to elders both past and present, as it is their knowledge and experiences that holds the key to the success of our future generations.

JULIA:

Hi Amelia. How are you today?

AMELIA:

Hi Julia and Kate. I'm fantastic. Thank you so much for having me.

JULIA:

Thank you for being here. It's just amazing and we really are looking forward to unpacking a few themes around BTN and media literacy for students and schools. So let's just get into it.

Amelia, BTN is part of the Australian school experience and landscape. Can you tell us a bit about the history of this iconic show?

AMELIA:

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. So BTN or Behind The News has been around for 55 years. We actually just celebrated our 55th birthday a couple of weeks ago. So a really big one. And it's the third longest running TV show in Australian history, which a lot of people, actually don't know. So we are behind Play School and Four Corners or Four Corners, Play School, BTN, I believe. I think that's the correct order. So in pretty good company there and basically the whole idea of BTN is, pretty much, it exists for the same reason that it was first started and that's to provide the news to primary school aged kids in a way that they can understand, in a way that they can engage with, they can relate to.

We talk about things that matter to them and things that affect them. And we get their voices into the news as well and so that's the reason I think that we still exist to this day. And we have existed for so long. Because there's obviously a real need out there for this for this program, and so it's a pretty cool legacy that I'm part of. I'm pretty proud of being the host of BTN. So yeah.

And it's really important, as though that like through watching BTN, I think that students sort of increase their understanding, not just of the news, but also of world events and they also sort of learned a lot of skills like critical thinking. I think we spark a lot of discussions about social issues.

They also get to talk about things that matter to them. So we have rookie reporter stories which basically engage kids to become the reporters and to tell their stories their way. And thank goodness for technology, it's helped us to get stories from all over Australia and from all over the world. And yeah, they're some of my absolute favourite stories.

But we've also expanded in recent years as well you might, you might ask me about this, but yeah, we've expanded into not just BTN. So when BTN first started it was, sort of, a guy behind the desk in black and white, before colour TV, slightly British accent, don't really know why, very formal and we've obviously changed so much since then over the years. We've gone from, you know, what lots of people your age and my age too, remember, which is a big TV being rolled into classrooms and everyone gathering around.

We've gone from that sort of format now to something that's entirely different. So obviously besides being in colour and dressing a little differently and sounding a little differently, we incorporate all sorts of technology in the way that we produce the stories, but also in the way that they're watched. So kids around Australia now watch us, you know, on different platforms, streaming services, on demand, and they will still watch us on TV as well. They watch us on their tablets, on their laptops, at school, on their phones.

We also have our Daily News program, News Break, which is a 5-minute bulletin that's every single week night and basically sums up the day's news in a fun way. And that's also sort of a YouTube style show, so it's done a little bit differently again.

And then on top of that, we also now have BTN High, which is really exciting. And that launched earlier this year and that's the first time that we've ever, you know, gone into high schools and created content exclusively for high schools at BTN.

So it's changed a lot since 1968, and I hope we'll continue to change even more over the years. And hopefully in another, you know 45 years it won't be me unfortunately, Kate and Julia. I don't think so anyway, I think I'll be too old to be presenting then but we'll have somebody else, hopefully who is talking about BTN and how far we've come. And I hope we continue to exist long into the future.

JULIA:

Amazing, Amelia, you're right. You have just signposted to all the amazing questions we had for you in regards to covering, you know, you know, the history of BTN, you know the the importance of that journey for students and our communities, no matter young or old.

Love that you also touched upon all the amazing new programs as well and the need for them and the impact of them.

So why do you think BTN popularity has been so enduring and why does it continue to add value today?

AMELIA:

I honestly say this all the time. I think that BTN still exists today, obviously because of the need of, you know, having a program especially on the ABC, which is, you know, really dedicated to providing news to an age group that is essentially left out of the general news media most of the time.

So besides that, which I'll speak a bit more about in a second, but besides that. I think the really big reason that BTN still exists 55 years later is because we don't patronise children. We don't patronise them in the way that we deliver the news and current affairs to them. We try to speak to them somewhere between like a teacher and a friend.

So we try to talk to them in a way that they can understand. But that doesn't say, “oh you're young. You know you won't understand this or let me explain this to you.” We try very hard to make sure that we are pitching our tone, even our jokes. Even the way we present to the correct audience age group, it has expanded a bit over the years. We used to say 8-12. Now, often 12 year olds are in are in high school, so we're sort of, sometimes more like a even at 7-11 year old sort of age groups, some younger, some older. And you know even.

Within that, there is a lot of variance, but generally I think we have been nailing it over the years. I think you know if I do say so myself, I think we really have the right tone and I think that's really important because kids are so attuned to being patronised. As you know, they know when you're patronising them. They know when you're talking down to them and they immediately switch off. And so it's just so important and I think that's a really big reason that we still exist is because we don't do that.

But I also think, it's really important that we exist because kids are left out of the news so often. So there are so many times when I, you know, working for the ABC, we'll be looking at news stories from even within our organisation, done by other journalists for what we call BTN Adult News. And we see that there is a story that say about something to do with schools and students and the journalist goes into the school and they talk to a teacher. They talk to the principal, they talk to a parent, they talk to a politician, but they do not speak to the kids and you know this happens constantly and it's something that we really don't like at BTN.

We want to hear kids voices. We want to hear what they have to say, especially when they're right there in front of you and you know the topic involves them directly. And so that's a really important reason why BTN needs to exist is to give young people a voice and to make sure that that they are, you know, included in in these topics, which are often discussing them but aren't asking them what they think or how they feel.

And I think a lot of that also comes down to just a little bit of a, almost a fear or a hesitation from a lot of journalists, in my experience, to speak to kids because they don't necessarily know how to speak to a 10-year-old in a way that's going to get a good answer.

And so that's another thing that we know how to do very well at each end is how to speak to kids. And get answers from them and get them to tell us what they think. It'sa matter of asking open-ended questions and saying, you know, instead of “ohh so did you have a good time doing that?” Yes? No? I t's saying tell me about this activity and how you feel about it. You know what do. You did you like about this and boom you. Have a different answer.

So yeah, it's just something that we we've learned to do over time. But again, I think it's a big reason why we are still so popular, because we include students in our stories and we ask them what they think and it gives them an opportunity to be involved in the media landscape.

JULIA:

That is transformational. Thank you so much. And just to have that opportunity and platform for student voice authentically really shows the positive impact. Thank you so much for sharing.

KATE:

The fact that you've covered student voice is so wonderful. It's so important. And that's something that we're really promoting here at the Community Cohesion Project, because student voice is really essential for creating cohesive communities.

JULIA:

Just circling back, Amelia, to the BTN high, what are some of the stories you will cover in BTN High?

AMELIA:

So BTN High something we are so excited about at BTN so yeah, launched earlier this year, the beginning of this year with the schools, and it's the first time that we have that basically invented into creating content exclusively for high schoolers and for high school classrooms and high school teachers.

We are really, really wanting to be here to support teachers and so basically we've covered so many different topics. So we release two stories a week. We are not like a traditional TV show in the way that BTN still in many ways is done. We are a sort of digital first content offering. So we do two stories a week released on our website and on iView and on ABC and BTN socials.

And so what we do is those stories are about 5-6 minutes and they cover topics which are in the news but are also educational and that's really important to us in the same way that BTN is. You know, we create our stories in line with the Australian curriculum. We're doing the same thing, but for high schoolers now, so we really make sure that our stories are in line with the Australian. Curriculum that they will. Be relevant to teachers that they'll be useful to teachers and students in the classroom.

And so the stories that we're talking about are across all sorts of different topics and all sorts of different subject and learning areas, so. We are doing stories that focus on social issues on well-being we've done quite. A few of. So that's things like, you know, phone bans in schools, mental health issues stopping students from going to school we're talking about. We've done a lot of, you know, sort of history-type stories. So like, I've recently done one on Nazi symbolism. That came out today and that was a big request from a lot of teachers actually to cover that topic. So the far-right Nazi symbols.

And then there obviously is history and. So I was talking about history. Of both or two and Hitler et cetera. We've done stories on LGBTQ+ rights in Australia and you know, the legalisation of homosexuality or homosexual acts in Australia.

So you know, and all of these stories. As well, like I said, we. Try to incorporate student. So we're going out. Into high schools in many of those cases, and we're asking students what they think. We're asking them their opinions. We're asking them what changes they want to see, you know, in the case of LGBTQIA+ rights, you know? We spoke to kids in a club that talked about, you know, what had their experiences growing up in Australia and what they'd like to see changed?

And we've got some stories in there about bullying and things like that. So really honest accounts too, and I think that. Is just so important. For students to hear from other students, especially in that high school age.

As well, and we're really wanting to start a lot of discussions in classrooms too and that was something that you know, we got feedback from teachers who said that they'd really like to have these discussions and inspire these discussions. We're watching our stories and so we focused a lot on that. You know where we pick stories as well. That that get people talking and kind of get that critical thinking happening which. Is it very important as well I think for students in this age group who are growing up in a world where things can often be framed and like as being like black and white and no grey in between, which just, you know, is is just like something that that isn't always the case and it's good to know that, you know some. People have different opinions. Some people live their lives. Differently view things differently, but also to talk about, for instance, this week. You know, there's a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech, for example, with the Nazi symbols story. So these sorts of discussions are the things that we really hope that BTN High will inspire in classrooms across Australia.

KATE:

Thank you so much for that, Amelia. It was really. It's great to see that really clear connection here to our Community Cohesion Project and how schools who want to enhance young people's understanding of hate speech, for example, have got a great resource that they can tap into, watch a little video and have some supporting resources. And so that's really exciting for us to hear. So we're really, really excited to watch that one and view that one ourselves and certainly be able to encourage other teachers and schools to use that resource.

On that note, what are some of the benefits for teachers when it comes to using the BTN High resources?

AMELIA:

Yeah. So we hope that there will be lots of benefits and, you know, we really do want feedback as well and we have been going and asking teachers from different subject areas to really tell us what they think of our stories. And we've been taking feedback from teachers because it really does really matter to us that these resources are useful in classrooms and able to be used by our school teachers and that students are of course, engaged with the way that we are creating these stories too. So super important to us at BTN, but basically there are so many reasons that we yeah, we hope that that teachers will want to use these resources in the classroom.

So like I mentioned before, instead of having the 30-minute BTN sort of TV format. We do have, you know our stories individually on our BTN website as well and wejust think that by creating just individual stories in this case, rather than that longer TV show sort of format where you getting five different stories altogether, you're getting just one topic. And it's in the 5-6 minutes, you know, sort of pretty digestible, but not too short sort of length for a classroom. And then that means that you know teachers can look and say that fits with my subject, that fits in the learning area that fits with my year level and that so I can look at that story and play that story confidently to my classroom, knowing that it's going to be appropriate for the age group. It's going to be engaging because BTN you know and we do have this reputation of being able to. Age and speak to our audience. You know, no matter which age group it is now across the whole school all of the year levels. And so, you know, it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be engaging, going to be factual and it's going to be appropriate. It's not going to have any inappropriate imagery. It's, you know, it's going to be perfect for the classroom.

And that's the whole idea for us. Just to create those sorts of resources and we know that that is from having spoken to many teachers. That's what they want. They're just crying out for more resources. That are interesting and engaging and trustworthy in high school classrooms. So that's what we're really trying to create.

On top of that, you know, these can be accessed on our website, so easy access is definitely something we want to make sure teachers have as well. So on our website and eye view and of course click view which we know. So many teachers use so yeah. And we also hope that, like I said before like that. These these results are sort. Of sparked. Discuss. So you know, I wish we could be creating like 15 minutes 10-15 minute stories, but unfortunately we just don't have the time and resources to create longer than we are at the moment because I know some teachers would happily put their 10 to 15 minutes or in their classroom and take a moment and let us do that, that for, for them for a minute. But you know, unfortunately we can't make them that much longer, but we hope that you know what happens is people watch the 6 minute story. And then they can move on to teach, you know, more from what we've, you know, started basically and that will spark those discussions and it will, you know, help to even add some context when you're talking about certain topics like World War Two or, you know, Mental Health and Finance, even we've done quite a few interesting finance stories too, and business and things like that.

So we just really hope that, yeah, it'll spark discussion that it's easy to access. That it's relevant. So we really make sure as well that each story is tailored to the Australian Curriculum because we want teachers to be able to use them. Yeah. So hopefully, lots of reasons, but teachers who want to use our BTN High resources.

KATE:

I really love that. It's really great. I didn't realise that they're on ClickView too, and I think that's really awesome. There's no escaping them. They're everywhere, you know. And the little 6-minute clips are so good cause you can download them onto your laptop and you know if you've got a tech issue, you've got them just quickly play. So they're really they're really handy. You really love that format of them. Really useful.

KATE: You know, as a journalist, why do you think in media literacy is such an important capability for young people?

AMELIA:

Oh, it’s so important. I have worked actually at BTN on the whole Media Literacy series, which we created a few years ago and it's still available and it was actually probably tailored more to that sort of high school age in many ways. But I think it can be used by younger students as well.

But this media literacy series is available online and we put so much time and energy into creating this thing and it's basically talking about things like, you know, what makes news, news. You know, what are sources? Fake news, you know, and how to. Spot it. So these are just a. Few of the. Things that, yeah, we've talked about in this series. And of course in classic BTN style we have full costumes and wigs and there's all sorts of weird things happening to explain the topics and yeah, so that's a resource that we worked on and.

The whole reason we did it is because we think media literacy is extremely important for this age group and now you know also we're we're getting to move more into that high school age group as well, as our primary school age group. So I think it's just so important across the board.

A lot of young people are getting their news or if they're getting their news at all. From anywhere in particular, they're usually getting it online. They're gonna be getting it from social media and it's just a a really fast moving, changing media landscape. And so you know, you've got high schoolers on TikTok, who are, you know, self diagnosing, they're learning difficulties and they're, you know, mental health issues and looking at you know. Finding out all these tips on different life hacks and things like that, and sometimes they're, you know, completely false or misinformation.

Obviously, sometimes they are just, you know, having a joke. We all know that it's, you know, hoping that older people will take they and say, Oh my gosh, look at these young people. What are they doing? But sometimes it is serious, especially when you're talking about things like self diagnosing and, you know, finding out other tips and things around health.

We know that there is, yeah, a lot of misinformation out there and it's just important as well that we make sure that people know that, for instance, anyone on social media can position themselves as an expert whether that's, you know, an expert. In a certain field or even a news expert, as you know, as basically a journalist, if they choose to, and they do it well enough and people will listen.

And so I think it's just more important than ever to make sure, that students also understand why journalism exists in the first place, even just going back to the basics. It's a really important part of our democracy and looking at other countries that don't have, you know, free media like Australians, I think it's really important that we make sure that young people understand there's a really important reason why germs exist too, and so that, you know, they can potentially come back to more trusted news sources or at least know to check. Net sources and things like that.

So there's so many reasons to have to, to instill good media literacy skills in students that I think also it's really important that as educators and teachers that we continue to keep up with technology and keep up with young people basically, which can obviously be hard to do. But it is really important because it's just going to continue to get more and more confusing as technology develops. You know, we're seeing deep fakes. We're seeing AI technology like ChatGPT and so much more. AI is going to change everything in the media landscape in the near future. And our whole jobs and lives are going to change along with it. And so I think it's just really important that we continue to keep up with what's going on and where young people are.

But also, yeah, getting back to those basics and making sure that we understand why things like journalism exist in the first place. Because you know, then you're sort of taking away a bit of that mistrust, which is kind of going around news and the traditional media across the world sometimes for good reason. But you know, I think it's just really important that we make sure that that students understand what news is as well.

Even just the basic concept of why is this thing news? I think can be a bit forgotten as well. You know people. Say ohh, but why are Why are we talking about this? Why am I seeing that? Why is that news on social media? You post about pretty much anything and they'll say. Ohh but this other things going on and it's like so I think it's really important to understand. Well news is by definition something rare and something that doesn't happen. All the time.

It's also a business and. It's something that, you know, they need clicks and they want people to click on things and do things. So I think it's. Like, people don't really understand that a lot of the time too. And I'm not even just talking about young people I'm talking about across the board. I think that it's not just teenagers and kids that need to, you know keep on top of media literacy skills. It's also us as adults too, but. Yeah, I think it's definitely just so important across the board.

KATE:

It’s a really important discussion, I think, and I think people will benefit from kind of hearing some of your perspective and the new answers behind being a journalist and a young person yourself, you know, so it's really great to hear your perspectives and your insights.

And you've got a lot of expertise that we don't often hear, hear about and hear from that side of news media. And so it's really great for young people to consider this as well and to support our teachers when they're having discussions about these things, and I think you've raised some really great points.

JULIA:

Absolutely. Very refreshing to actually breakdown. Yeah, that that sort of binary thinking around journalism and news and the fact that we're all in it together. And when that happens, there's transformation for communities and for student voice, which is just so profound.

JULIA:

You mentioned to us earlier about being a role model for diversity. Can you tell us more about that?

AMELIA:

I'm actually just very passionate as well about diversity in the media and making sure that, you know, we do see different looking people and people from diverse backgrounds and actually diverse people on our screens. I think it's just so important. And so, you know, as a biracial woman, I am so proud to be the face of this show. And so yeah. It just it. Really, really matters to me and so I just. Thought I'd mention that as well because. I grew up, you know, where at a time when you just didn't see people who look like me on TV screens, you know, and especially in the Australian media, you weren't seeing people who looked like me even on advertising and ads and things like that, they. They just wasn't really a presence there and because of that. It can be really hard when you're a kid or a teenager to imagine yourself in that position if you never see anybody who looks like you and you're already living in a society where you look around and there aren't necessarily many people around you who are like you. And so I think it's just so important as well that we encourage and this is a great reason. You know why I work at the ABC two is because the AP is so passionate about diversity. You know it's. I think it's really. Important that we. We encourage young people, you know, from. All the backgrounds and all walks of life. To you know, get into the media as well, if that's what they're thinking about. And they're. And they wanna do it and we encourage them, you know, to, to, to, to voice their opinions as well, even if it's not in the media, but to stand up and. And to be seen. And I think that's just, yeah. Another reason I feel very, very grateful. And, you know, happy to be in this position as well, I think it's just really important.

KATE

Oh that's so. I'm so happy you said that because it's so important for us to encourage young people to see themselves as being able to be on TV being able to be in media or other professions. And I think from a school's perspective, it's really great for us to consider this because we can create that sense of belonging by having visibility in our school communities, where young people can see their faces reflected in the resources or in the guest speakers that that are brought in.

AMELIA:

Absolutely.

KATE:

So the final question today and perhaps one of the most important questions, Amelia, is, as the host of BTN are working with young people and having these amazing opportunities to get out to schools and communities as part of your work. Can you share with us a standout inspirational experience or an aha moment that you've had at a school with a young person or in your work.

AMELIA:

Oh my gosh, I have had so many. I feel like. It's just. There are so many.

I feel very lucky working in this job because we do get to interact, you know. For a for a long time, it's just been with kids. And I love interacting with kids. And going out to schools and speaking to kids and learning about, you know, what they think and what they care about and and what their experiences are. And now it's great too, because. I'm getting to go to high school. And also I should say as well, Kate. And JULIA: I. Have been so I overwhelmed by the response that we've had when I have gone out to several high schools now. And you know, because we are, we have been for. So long a primary. School show and teenagers are famously like a little bit aloof.

But they are so.And I'm not even just talking about the year sevens, who are, like, very intensely still fans of BTN when I go. But even are all the way up to like. Year 12 I have. Had you know these sort of slightly starstruck, which is so, lovely students come up to me and. Be like, Oh my gosh, you’re Amelia Mosely from BTN like I've had someone say you are. You know you raised me. You were my childhood. Like I've I've had so many nice comments and that has been just overwhelming and. And really makes me. Feel like cool? This is worth doing.

And also moving from that primary school age to high school. It makes me go great. This is really good because they know us. They know many of our reporters, they know me and they still I think can will like us and enjoy it and and continue their educational journey with us into high school throughout I think.

And I that's what I'm really hoping will you know this legacy that we've sort of started this year? I hope it gets to continue for decades, more so that we don't just leave those primary school students and that's it. But from the AC end that we continue on with them instead of just losing them when they go to high school, so that's really important to me. And and I really, really loved those experiences and interactions with students. Recently

But honestly, as far as like a real standout and inspirational experience. Those I think that the sorts of experiences that stand out most in in my mind over the past nine years now, I've worked at BTN five of those hosting and being a reporter throughout those nine years has really been with rookie reporters and interactions with students when they're talking about. You know quite serious topics, so a lot of our rookie reporters that stand out to me that I've worked on are the ones where students are talking about their experiences with health issues. So for example, like there are so many, but for example there was one kid that I always talk about when I'm asked this question, his name Harry and he has kidney issues. And his dad donated a kidney to him, and that story, just like, stuck with me. You know, it was just. It's such an incredible story and he is doing really well. It's still and I keep up with him on social media. And he was just eight at the time when I went and filmed at his house and his school and spoke to. And and he was just full of energy, despite having these really difficult health issues. And he was just so, so inspirational. And it just really just, I don't know, it just stayed with me that that experience and and really kind of given me a motivation to keep doing my job as well as I possibly can and to keep giving a voice to these students.

Another story that really stood out was a a teenager with alopecia who decided that, you know, she wasn't going to wear her wig anymore. She was going to just be bald. And embrace that. And I thought that was so, such a beautiful story too. And I think she was a little bit older and she was sort of. It was for BTN and so talking to peoplewho are younger than her, who might be in that experience, or who might know somebody who has alopeciawho wears a wig or who doesn't wear a wig?

And I think it was just like, you know, just getting those messages across those really positive sort of body image messages just I think can be. Quite life changing. And we have had students you. Know tell us that. That BCM story has really kind of changed their life before and. That's always just. The the most incredible feeling.

There was another timeas well, where I actually went out. And spoke to. Some young people about mental health issues. And it was just a general story. On mental health. And we went to a school and. We had a. Group of students that were picked by the teacher. And luckily, we brought along a child psychologists and the whole idea was to sort of sit around in this circle and talk about mental health and ways to deal things and I did not very second expect from these, I think they were about you know 10-11 year olds, that they would have so many so many concerns, so many issues and so many things that they wanted to raise and we had tears.

We had students talking about being. Angry we had students, sadly, one student admitted to us, and this did not go on meeting and obviously that admitted to us that they had attempted suicide. And this was it was just unbelievable. And it just really made me think, wow, this is a really important conversation to be having.

And these students, you know, we often dismiss kids as, as you know, not having problems, you know, just your kids just be happy. But there were so many topics that came up, you know, problems with divorce, body image all. Sorts and that just really. Made me go. This is, you know, we have a platform where. We can talk about these things. And we have, you know, the child psychologist there who's giving advice, and this can be life changing, and it can really, really help someone. And so yeah, those those sorts of. Moments are just like. They're honestly the reason I I really love this job more than anything, and why I keep doing it and I think it's the same for most the reporters. FAT, and I think we all know that now and then these stories come along and they are really, really important and they can actually really, really help somebody. So, yeah.

JULIA:

Thank you so much for sharing Amelia.

AMELIA:

That's OK.

KATE

No, I just wanted to say like that again reinforces that student voice. They're ready to talk, aren't they? And they wanna be listened to and having those opportunities, we sometimes forget about how important it is to foster a safe place like you have for those young people to speak about what's happening for them. And provide that guidance and that correct information and to provide that support so. It's really beautiful to hear you say that. Thank you for sharing.

KATE:

That's OK.

JULIA:

Thank you so much for providing these very powerful. And inspirational stories. It was so wonderful to hear your voice and to also be part of a process that amplifies. Student voice and youth, and it's just been really profound for us.

Thank you so much for sharing the BTN journey and how it's just forever evolving, which is just incredible and thank you so much for. Yeah, continuing that process of supporting student voice in terms of transforming social change. And well-being and to continue that media literacy and critical thinking as well to keep on building those beautiful cohesive communities. Thanks so much.

AMELIA:

Thank you. It’s been a lovely conversation.

JULIA:

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